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undead vampiric blue spacegoat. in plate. ([personal profile] vangirl) wrote2010-10-24 03:29 pm
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I am Van's exasperation.

I'm getting rather tired of this "There's too much fandom on DW" talk that seems to be coming from...I don't even know what the specific 'source' is but I know it's coming from somewhere.

Yeah, okay. You don't like fandom, I get that. Liking fandom isn't a prerequisite for being on DW and it shouldn't be treated as one. All you need is an invite code. On Add Me memes, if fandom is something you really dislike then you should mention that you have no interest in it. Not a bad thing there, since you're being honest and preventing potential issues there. No problem with that.

But once you cross the line from "I don't like fandom and don't want it on my reading list so I won't be adding fandom types" to "I don't like fandom and don't like possibly running into it while I browse DW, so there should be less of it" then you're just acting like an entitled brat.

DW is a very fandom friendly site, so fandom types like it. Thus, fandom exists on DW. If you don't like community advertisements for fandom challenges, or seeing fanfic on Latest Things, or seeing someone squee over a show you hate, then just scroll past. You are not being oppressed by the existence of fandom. No-one is going out of their way to shove their Big Bang into the face of someone who couldn't care less. Despite the rumors, we do not have fandom ninjas that drop from the ceiling and paste Star Trek smut fanart onto your computer monitor before disappearing into the night.

If you don't have a mouse with a scrollwheel, then you can click on the bar to the right and pull it down. It essentially works the same, in that you can move past stuff you're not interested in.

Most doctors recommend scrolling past things that annoy you instead of trying to start epic wank over them. Much better for your blood pressure.
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[personal profile] joshuaorrizonte 2010-10-24 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
... wait, what? The presence of fandom means that DW isn't an option?

I... wait... yeah. I seem to recall that LJ's predominant userbase was fandom, before they got huge. Maybe I'm wrong since I joined LJ for fandom, pretty much. But that's what I remember. Know how fandom got turned into a minority there?

Because other people started using it.

Seriously. It's another journal site. If you don't want fannish content on your reading list, well, uh... don't... add it?...

Damn us fandom-types for existing...
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[personal profile] joshuaorrizonte 2010-10-24 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Too much work, the onus is on everyone else to make a space for them, etc... I call that entitlement. Learn to coexist, you know?
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[personal profile] dingsi 2010-10-24 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially as the types who are pretty focused on fandom activities are
a) saying so outright, usually on their profile page so you can easily avoid them,
b) often having extra journals solely for writing or reccing or drawing so you can easily avoid them,
c) participating in communities that are explicitly for and about fannish stuff so you can easily avoid them.

Sure, there are many people who post a mix of fannish and non-fannish stuff, but if even the occasional squee /meta post bugs you that much, you don't have to read them either. IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
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[personal profile] cypher 2010-10-24 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This, holy crap. "I don't like this thing so I avoid it," sure. "I don't like this thing so I shouldn't have to coexist with it," NOT COOL. >->
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[personal profile] niqaeli 2010-10-24 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Here via [personal profile] dingsi. Sing it! I'm really sort of tired of people going on about Dreamwidth is not for them because of X culture *existing* on there. Really, no matter what X culture is, the complaint annnnooooooys me. (Though fandom being the complained about culture is extra annoying.) Let's start with, fandom is not a monolithic structure, and different people are fannish in different ways.

Also, okay, so you're not going to change the site's dev/volunteer culture from being what it is, no, but you're pretty much welcome to make whatever damn culture you like on the service itself. Don't like fandom? Awesome, build your own subculture that you do like. Because, hey! Guess what! Fandom didn't spring forth fully formed on Dreamwidth! No, seriously, it didn't, even being as super-fannish friendly as it is. People sat down and built what there is because they wanted a fannish culture to participate in on Dreamwidth because they preferred Dreamwidth's architecture to LiveJournal's.

Gosh, early adopters have to build their own subcultures on social networks? WHO KNEW.
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[personal profile] dingsi 2010-10-24 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
but you're pretty much welcome to make whatever damn culture you like on the service itself

THIS. Set up a comm for your non-fannish hobby, write in the rules that it's non-fannish, ta-daa! And if it's too much work (which I find understandable), we even have [community profile] create_my_comm for that.
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[personal profile] ilyena_sylph 2010-10-24 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this post. *grins*

[personal profile] queer 2010-10-24 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
But scrolling is haaaaaaard. :'(

(here via [personal profile] dingsi btw!)
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[personal profile] foxfirefey 2010-10-24 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Not everybody has this option since it's a paid feature, but I have a Default View that filters out things that people tag as fanfiction. So some people don't even have to scroll, if they do that!

And there is also this tool for Firefox for core2 styles:

http://dw-nifty.dreamwidth.org/3415.html
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2010-10-24 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
There's actually someone who created a greasemonkey script to ensure they never have to see the word fandom mentioned, isn't there?

What always confuses me is that most of my interactions on DW are non-fandom.
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2010-10-28 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeaaaah.

Yep, exactly. And the same with a lot of my friends from oooold fandoms. (You can always poke me on DW/twitter to see if I'm around! I sometimes forget to log into AIM. You've got my current screenname, thisartificialme, right?)
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[personal profile] onyxlynx 2010-10-24 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Also here via [personal profile] dingsi.

(Wait, there aren't fandom ninjas? Where is all that lovely smut coming from, then?)

When I don't want to read something, the spacebar or scrolling wheel is my friend.

These people are the product of "niche" programming, where you never have to hear or see anything even slightly out of your taste, and they believe the entire world is like that.
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[personal profile] karel 2010-10-25 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I have never understood this "there's too much of X, take some away so my Y can fit!" I see it in discussions of badfic, certain fandoms (like "there's too many SPN secrets oh my god!"), types of posts (too many icon posts! omg, get rid of them and put some fic posts there!) and it just... I don't understand it, man. If X goes away, it doesn't mean Y is going to flourish. It just means that X won't be there anymore. If you want more Y, put it there. Absence of X =/= presence of Y. Both can exist together. Really.
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[personal profile] niqaeli 2010-10-25 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's a zero sum mentality and it assumes that if you manage to get people to stop doing X, they'll START doing Y because they haven't got X occupying them anymore. It... demonstrably makes no sense but somehow that doesn't change the viewpoint from being held by a lot of people.

I don't like zero sum mentalities in general. I mean, there's a few cases where there really is only so much Z to go towards X or Y, but they're awfully damn few and far between. And a social network's subcultures? Not one of them. :3
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[personal profile] karel 2010-10-25 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Generally, if I have an interest in Y, though, I'll be doing it AND X. If I don't care about Y while I'm doing X, I won't do Y once X is gone. I'll go do W. It honestly just comes across as kind of bratty when people want that. "Stop doing this thing that YOU like and start doing what I like!"

To me, it just seems like a cheap way to get people to do what you (general you) want. "Oh my god, if you would just stop doing THAT, you could do THIS. For ME!"
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[personal profile] solerika 2010-10-25 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
I find the whole concept is infinitely amusing since outside of you guys, fandom is the only thing that interests me on journal sites. Pfff.

ALSO. Spacebar and pg dn buttons work the same as scrollbars/wheels! You have OPTIONS, folks!
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[personal profile] maqui 2010-10-26 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
And that nifty downward-facing arrow works, too! Options galore! :D I think it's that people just want something to complain about.
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[personal profile] lyndis 2010-10-25 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
Oh geez. SOME PEOPLE. Just. IDK. I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
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[personal profile] sarasvati 2010-10-28 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from another journal...

Most of the people on my reading list aren't fandom-heavy, and the ones that are aren't the "shove my fandom in your face and make you like it" types. Honestly, I'd say that the diversity of users is much the same as on LJ. Some talk about fandom, some talk about life, some talk about books they've read, some talk about their pets. It's not like DW's a fandom-only journal site, after all.

Some people just love to complain. Give 'em options, and they cry out that the options aren't set up specifically for them exactly as they want them. :/
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[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2011-04-27 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
There are fandom ninjas. But they only put smut on fannish journals, and it's not all Trek.